David VanDrunen, political theology expert, discusses the separation of church and state from a Christian perspective. Topics include political idolatry, totalitarianism, and Christian citizenship. The podcast explores the relationship between Christianity and state governance, emphasizing genuine spiritual transformation.

Any Christian trying to formulate a political theology cannot afford to ignore the impressive work done by David VanDrunen over the past decade. In this long-ish interview, Kevin asks Dave about two kingdoms theology, natural law, the purpose of government, and the importance of the Noahic Covenant. Stick around and you'll also learn what VanDrunen means by "conservative liberalism" and "legal polycentrism." You'll also hear what Kevin and Dave would do (or not do) if they were starting a Presbyterian colony on Mars.Chapters:0:00 Intro2:30 Politics after Christendom16:45 Covenants and Reformed Theology31:10 Sponsor Break | Crossway32:00 Does Christ Redeem Political Institutions?36:00 Responding to Criticism43:10 A Presbyterian Colony on Mars?55:00 Does Government Protect, Perfect, or Provide?1:03:40 Sponsor | DesiringGod1:04:10 A Conservative Liberalism1:11:10 Legal Polycentrism1:20:55 Until Next TimeBooks & Everything:Politics after Christendom: Political Theology in a Fractured WorldO Come, O Come, Emmanuel: A Liturgy for Daily Worship from Advent to EpiphanyAsk Pastor John PodcastAsk Pastor John: 750 Bible Answers to Life's Most Important Questions

Join Caleb in a conversation with David VanDrunen, a Professor of Systematic Theology, discussing natural law, its impact post-fall, relation to biblical covenants, and how it affects believers and unbelievers. They explore its ties to the gospel, influence on political theology, and the consequences of straying from its principles.