Former Secretary of Veterans Affairs Dr. David Shulkin discusses innovating within the VA, access to healthcare for veterans, setting priorities as a leader, EHR rollout, successful startups in the VA, changes in medical education, applications of AI in healthcare, and more with hosts Jacob and Nikhil.

David J. Shulkin, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs during the Trump administration, reflects on his turbulent tenure, marked by political interference. He shares insights into the 'dual path of decision-making' in the White House that complicated his role and led to his downfall. Shulkin also discusses the complex dynamics of privatizing veteran healthcare, revealing the tension between veterans' choices and the effectiveness of the VA system. His experiences echo the struggles of diplomats navigating a similar political landscape.