Guest David Phelan, music producer and songwriter for Zayn, Sia, and Blackpink, shares his journey from identifying as a confident materialist to a regular meditator. He discusses his experience with panic attacks and curing himself through meditation. They explore the role of music in profound altered states and the interdependence of periodic elements. David talks about his personal growth, from millions of followers to a 2-hour morning routine, and his aspiration to achieve the Jhanas through meditation.