David Peña-Guzmán, an associate professor of humanities and author of *When Animals Dream*, takes us on a journey through the hidden world of animal consciousness. He discusses how dreaming in animals reveals their emotional lives, suggesting they may have a moral standing similar to humans. The conversation dives into the scientific evidence of dream-like experiences in various species, critiques behaviorism, and raises eye-opening ethical questions about AI and animal rights. Peña-Guzmán's insights shine a light on the rich inner worlds of our fellow creatures.
