Dr. David Fitch, an expert in evangelical theology, discusses the failures of the church when it's entangled with power. Topics include the church's role in societal issues, distinctions between government and Christian power, morality, abortion, Christian nationalism, and the importance of embodying Jesus' teachings within local communities.

Abraham Cho, who explores the intersections of power, institutions, and faith, joins David Fitch, an advocate for redefining the church's approach to power. They dissect the difference between coercive 'over power' and persuasive 'under power.' The conversation highlights the church's challenges with integrity and trust amid scandals. They also address the moral complexities of power dynamics and the necessity of grounding power in resurrection and divine intention, urging the church to align itself with God’s kingdom rather than worldly influences.

Dr. David Fitch, gospel expert, discusses the immeasurable gospel's significance, moving beyond personal salvation. Topics include power dynamics in churches, living a kingdom life, and promoting change through Jesus' reign in communities. Emphasizes a broader understanding of faith, relational evangelism, and the non-coercive nature of God's presence.