In this engaging conversation, David de Vos, a Dutch Christian evangelist and author, reflects on his transition from high-profile ministry to a more inclusive approach centered on vulnerability and compassion. He shares his healing journey from depression, emphasizing the importance of living from affection rather than performance. David discusses his books, 'Raw' and 'Everyone is a Child of God', highlighting universal love and the significance of community. He advocates for redefined ministry focused on acceptance, connecting across spiritual boundaries, and embracing kindness as a motivator for change.