In this engaging discussion, David Badanis, a political theorist known for his work on leadership, teams up with geopolitics expert Charles Hacker, author of "Zero Sum." They tackle the complexities of leadership in today's turbulent political landscape, contrasting authoritarian and balanced approaches. The conversation also delves into the importance of meaningful media in a screen-saturated world, the charm of local communities in declining urban settings, and the humorous absurdities of our current events, making for a lively and thought-provoking dialogue.