Brian Cox and Robin Ince tackle one of the most important questions posed by science: which is better, bees or wasps? To defend bees, ecologist Dave Goulson joins the panel, while entomologist Seirian Sumner comes to the defence of wasps. Although both species are known to deliver a nasty sting, Seirian and Dave battle to show why their species should be loved, not swotted, and how we unknowingly rely on them. Comedian Catherine Bohart takes on the role of judge. Which will she ultimately choose: bees or wasps?New episodes are released on Saturdays. If you're in the UK, listen to the full series first on BBC Sounds: bbc.in/3K3JzyF Producer: Caroline Steel Executive Producer: Alexandra Feachem

Dave Goulson, an entomologist and author renowned for his work on bumblebee conservation, discusses the alarming decline of insect populations. He shares insights on their essential roles in pollination and waste management, stressing the critical need for conservation efforts. Goulson advocates for wildlife-friendly gardening practices that can support these vital creatures. He also explores the dramatic shifts in his career from academic research to passionate advocacy, highlighting the ecological impacts of pesticides and the importance of integrating scientific insight into policy-making.