In this episode, Lord Dannatt, the former head of the British Army, and Olivia O'Sullivan, Director at Chatham House, delve into the chilling consequences of cutting aid to bolster defense spending. They argue that such moves threaten national security and allow competitors like China to seize influence. Dannatt reflects on past engagements in Sudan and Bosnia, demonstrating how development can foster peace. O'Sullivan highlights the severe impacts on global health, including rising infectious diseases, as cuts disproportionately affect vulnerable regions and essential programs.