Daniel Franzen and Jan Disselhoff, the winners of the ARC Prize 2024, dive into their innovative approaches with large language models. They discuss achieving a surprising 53.5% accuracy using novel techniques like depth-first search for token selection and test-time training. Their insights into model training complexities, ethical considerations, and the balance between performance and accuracy provide a fascinating look at cutting-edge AI research. Additionally, they share the importance of rapid innovation under competitive pressures and the challenges faced in algorithm development.