Daniel Engber, an Atlantic science writer, and Arthur Allen, a health journalist and author of "Vaccines: The Controversial Story of Medicine’s Greatest Lifesaver," dive deep into the precarious state of vaccine infrastructure. They discuss the historical roots of anti-vaccine sentiment and its current political amplification. With figures like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. gaining prominence, they explore potential risks to public health policies and vaccine distribution. The conversation underscores the fragility of trust in health institutions amidst rising skepticism and historical context.