Daniel Burke

In this insightful conversation, Daniel Burke, NPR's religion editor, delves into a tumultuous two-year phase in Pope Francis's life that's often overlooked. He shares how this 'dark night' reshaped Francis from a distant leader to a more empathetic figure. The discussion reveals the internal conflicts within the Jesuit community in Argentina that fueled his personal growth. Francis's journey demonstrates how adversity can lead to profound transformation, influencing his compassionate approach to leadership and understanding of suffering.