Daniel Ayala, Chief Security and Trust Officer at Dotmatics, shares insights on data security challenges in cloud environments. Rajan Kapoor from Material Security discusses the importance of securing data in platforms like M365 and Google Workspace. The conversation delves into the investigation of Chinese wiretap hacks, the rise of cybercrime, and the impact of recent breaches on corporate accountability. They also highlight the necessity for robust email security measures and data governance strategies to protect sensitive information from misuse.