Ryan Brewer, a self-taught programming language expert and creator of innovative projects like Saber VM, shares his journey from college dropout to blog writer, dedicated to making formal theory accessible. Joined by researcher Dan Plukin, they discuss the challenges and joys of self-education in programming, the intersection of ethics and technology, and their experiences with compilers. They emphasize the importance of passion in learning and critique traditional academic paths, while encouraging openness in the programming community.