Today on What Rough Beast we talk to the great Miriam Elder, whose NY Times op-ed “Don’t Let Donald Trump Drive You Into Internal Exile,” got Stephen and Virginia dreaming of how to check out and skip T2 entirely. When they weren’t having nightmares about Jack Smith’s extinction, that is.

And while Elder acknowledges the powerful seductions of internal exile—she counsels us against it. And gives Stephen and Virginia ideas of what to do. Dammit: why we always gotta stay in the fight?

What Rough Beast is a labor of love and venom. The podcast aims to bring imagination, gallows humor, and fun, relatable despair to the T2 years. The founding principle is simple: Humans make the world and we can remake it anytime. We’re so glad it’s landing for so many of you.Interviews with PRK on the IRA and Luigi, Liz Weil on annoying activists, Peter Shamshiri on the jacked Supreme Court—the response has been tremendous. Next up is the great Miriam Elder on internal exile, meaning complete under-weighted-blanket denial.One recent reviewer said, “Clear fresh water in a desert. Deeply and respectfully affirming. IMO this is essential for anyone who thinks, and feels, and cares.” <3

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