Nayeema Raza, a journalist and co-host of the Semafor podcast 'Mixed Signals', moderates a spirited debate between Dan Griffin, an expert on Alcoholics Anonymous, and Adi Jaffe, founder of IGNTD. They discuss the effectiveness of AA, with Griffin defending its structure and community support, while Jaffe challenges the abstinence model and advocates for more personalized approaches to recovery. The dialogue also explores the complexities of addiction treatment and the need for inclusive alternatives beyond traditional methods.