In this engaging conversation, guest Dan Cross, a participant in tech discussions, joins experts Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal to dive deep into debugging. They humorously touch on parenting mishaps, like being chased by a rooster, while also reflecting on the evolution of debugging practices. The group critiques existing tools, advocating for better terminology and methods. They explore the emotional toll of debugging in distributed systems and celebrate advancements in programming languages like Rust that enhance memory management, addressing common challenges faced by engineers.