In this insightful conversation, Katherine Boyle, a venture capitalist focused on civic discourse, explores the meaning of courage in a climate of rising political violence. She reflects on martyrdom as both an extreme concept and a daily choice to speak truthfully. Joining her, Constantine Kissin, a podcast host and author, highlights how rhetoric can shape cultural trends and warns against dehumanizing language. Together, they urge listeners to reclaim civil debate and consider the impact of their words on future generations.