In this discussion, the Collins brothers, authors of 'Invoking the Beyond', tackle the intriguing relationship between UFOs and societal narratives. They explore the Kantian rift, highlighting how it alters our understanding of reality and faith. The conversation shifts to Gnostic beliefs and their impact on cosmology, contrasting them with Patristic views on evil. Delving into transhumanism, they examine the connections between technology and the redefinition of humanity, all while investigating the cultural significance of UFOs and government deception throughout history.