Noah Barkin, an analyst on Europe–China relations, and Clifford Coonan, a China specialist with extensive reporting experience, delve into Germany's precarious relationship with China. They discuss Germany's dependency on Chinese markets and rare earths, highlighting the historical ties between German industry and China. The conversation addresses the implications of China's recent export controls, the challenges Germany faces in de-risking its economy, and the rising competition from Chinese firms, especially in the EV sector. They also explore potential alternatives like India.