

Claudia Plen McCormack
Co-founder of Surface Deep, a leadership training company focused on deep inclusive leadership; draws on lived experience of late-diagnosed ADHD, burnout, and corporate culture to help organisations build psychological safety and inclusion.
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Nov 26, 2025 • 45min
(339) Surface Deep
Claudia Plen McCormack and Mia Serra, co-founders of Surface Deep, share their journey of creating a leadership training company rooted in deep inclusive leadership. Both experienced late diagnoses of ADHD and burnout in corporate settings, they emphasize the difference between surface action and deep action, advocating for authenticity in workplaces. The duo explores how movement exercises can reveal leadership patterns and enhance psychological safety, arguing that genuine environments boost creativity and productivity, challenging superficial corporate wellness initiatives.


