Chuck Marohn, founder of Strong Towns, and Nolan Gray, senior director at California YIMBY, engage in a lively debate about America's housing crisis. They explore the impact of financialization, outdated zoning laws, and inflation on housing affordability. The discussion highlights shared goals between their movements, particularly practical solutions to community challenges. They also examine how local governments can support more housing development and the need to rethink housing as a basic necessity, not merely an investment asset.