Guests Christopher Olk and Colleen Schneider discuss the intersection of degrowth and Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), challenging the myth of scarcity and emphasizing global justice and ecological constraints. They explore the role of debt in driving environmentally damaging activities and highlight the potential of MMT in enabling a degrowth agenda. The speakers also delve into the concept of a job guarantee as a solution to societal problems and discuss the importance of trust in the monetary system and envisioning a different world. Overall, they present a realistic and optimistic approach to addressing ecological and social issues.