Certified Scrum Trainer Chris Li and Professional Kanban Trainer Troy Lightfoot dive into the prevalent online sentiment that Scrum and Kanban 'suck.' They explore the roots of these criticisms and discuss the importance of effective communication and collaboration in agile teams. Join them as they tackle meeting fatigue, stressing the need for clear objectives, and introduce innovative metrics to enhance flow and process improvement. The conversation is packed with practical tips and personal anecdotes that encourage a reevaluation of these agile frameworks.