Joining the discussion is Chris Johansen, a NYC-based straight-ahead jazz tenor saxophonist, who shares insights on the intersection of Karl Popper's philosophy and music. They delve into Popper's ideas on musical conservatism, exploring how classical traditions inform contemporary jazz. Topics include the evolution of jazz, the importance of constraints in creativity, and the balance between originality and structure in musical expression. The conversation highlights the enduring tension between modern aesthetics and the legacy of classical compositions.