As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following:*All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free*Monthly Ask-Me-Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions)*Presale access to events*Premium, detailed show notes for future episodesSign up here:https://jordanbpeterson.supercast.comThis episode was recorded on September 15th, 2021.Chloé Valdary and I discuss The Theory of Enchantment, her personal brand of compassionate anti-racism. Chloé has been featured in Psychology Today and the NY Times. Her work with Theory of Enchantment attempts to bring compassion to diversity training and fight bigotry with love.We covered a range of topics surrounding her practice, structural racism in the US, the civil rights movement, the best way to criticize one another, the power of Truth, white fragility, and what one could expect from her (rather unique) diversity seminars.Find more from Chloé @cvaldaryhttps://twitter.com/cvaldary& check out her program athttps://theoryofenchantment.com--Get started with a 10% discount at magbreakthrough.com/jbp when using promo code "jbp10." If it's not for you, there's a one-year money-back guarantee._______________Timestamps_______________[00:00] Intro[00:30] Chloé’s background[01:52] Why did Chloé want to talk?[02:53] Reading Dr. Peterson’s Maps of Meaning in a lockdown[03:38] What is the goal or focus behind Valdary's work?[04:05] “Supremacist thinking occurs when a human being experiences... some type of deep insecurity within themselves" - Chloé Valdary[05:08] Jordan’s list of questions through Chloé's looking glass[05:49] Sources of racism[12:36] “There are problems money doesn't solve. It would be lovely if [that] produced full security in every aspect, but it doesn't" - Jordan Peterson[12:57] Working with corporations on DEIS[16:55] Debating the validity of lived experience[17:11] “Are you an unquestionable authority on the nature of your lived experience? The answer is yes and no" - JP[21:23] “[Race] certainly isn’t the best way to conceptualize diversity” - JP[23:46] Examining the pathos behind two great leaders in the civil rights movement: Dr. Martin Luther King & Malcolm X[27:34] Chloé’s experience as a teacher[33:06] Learning to appreciate complexity in both the individual and the diverse[36:17] “Raising everyone’s material standards… is ultimately insufficient" - JP[36:34] Seeing people as political abstractions[38:14] Alienation, diversity training, and rural America[44:28] “There are arbitrary pre-conditions to our existence that we didn't choose to deal with" - JP[48:25] How to uplift (never destructive) criticism[51:07] Variance in coping mechanisms[54:44] Everyone is starving for (words of) encouragement[57:07] Rooting everything in love and compassion. Where do those guidelines come from?[01:03:45] Wonder Woman, Power, & Truth[01:04:52] The human capacity to destroy the planet[01:09:29] I'm convinced that there is nothing more powerful than truth in the word." - JP[01:17:31] “Part of the problem in the West is this false understanding of meaning as derived from propositions when it is, in fact, participatory ways of knowing that give rise to propositions in the first place" - Chloé Valdary[01:18:48] The meaning of the word ‘enchantment’[01:26:23] “The objective of ToE is to bring people back to this relational way of being and to be in balance with their own complexity" - Chloé Valdary[01:26:59] What Chloé does at a ToE seminar[01:32:16] “People have access to the truth… [regardless of] socioeconomic standing" - JP

Chloé Valdary discusses how diversity, equity, and inclusion are misunderstood. She emphasizes the need for positive approaches to justice and critiques oversimplified conversations on racism and group identity. The conversation also explores stigma around learning methods and the transformative power of embracing complexity.

Chloé Valdary, founder of Theory of Enchantment, advocates for love and compassion in combating prejudice. She outlines how gratitude for our strengths and weaknesses can transform workplace relationships. Explore how agape love fosters inclusivity and enhances conflict resolution, leading to better customer interactions. Chloé emphasizes the importance of vulnerability and self-awareness in leadership, debunking the myth of the all-knowing expert. Embracing curiosity, she believes, opens the door to deeper learning and connection.