In a thought-provoking discussion, Chenxing Han, author of "Be the Refuge", and Duncan Ryūken Williams, a Zen priest and author of "American Sutra", explore the historical roots of meditation and its significance to Asian American Buddhists, especially amid rising anti-Asian violence. They delve into themes of resilience, karma, and the importance of community in overcoming adversity. The conversation highlights the need for recognizing and addressing historical discrimination, while fostering goodwill even towards those who harbor hate.