Chengzu Li, a PhD student at the University of Cambridge, unpacks his pioneering work on Multimodal Visualization-of-Thought (MVoT). He explores the intersection of spatial reasoning and cognitive science, linking concepts like dual coding theory to AI. The conversation includes insights on token discrepancy loss to enhance visual and language integration, challenges in spatial problem-solving, and real-world applications in robotics and architecture. Chengzu also shares lessons learned from experiments that could redefine how machines navigate and reason about their environment.