Charli XCX, a pop innovator known for her avant-garde approach, discusses her new album 'brat,' which celebrates messiness and authenticity. She reveals how the album's chaotic sound mirrors her personal struggles and the emotional depth within party music. The conversation touches on her endorsement of Kamala Harris, offering a surprising political context to her work. Charli emphasizes a shift towards relatable songwriting, blending vulnerability with hedonism, and defines 'Brat Summer' as a more genuine cultural response than previous trends.