Tom Neenan, a recurring friend of the podcast known for his wit, and Charlie George, a guest editor passionate about innovation, join Alice Fraser for a lively discussion. They explore amusing VR goggles designed for mice, raising ethical questions in lighthearted ways. A satirical look at a $500 million AI-run ship sparks laughter as they delve into the peculiarities of tech-savvy nation-building. The chat wraps up with creative Christmas gift ideas, from quirky traditions to personalized presents, ensuring humor stays at the heart of holiday cheer.