Susan D. Blum, an anthropology professor at Notre Dame, critiques traditional teaching methods. Catherine Wehlburg, president of Athens State University, focuses on effective assessment practices. Josh Eyler, director at the University of Mississippi, discusses how grades can harm learning. They explore the detrimental effects of 'schoolishness' and the pressures of prestigious institutions on student mental health. The conversation advocates for feedback-based assessment methods, emphasizing authentic learning experiences over mere grades.