Carolyn Dicey Jennings, a philosophy professor at UC Merced, dives deep into the nature of attention and mental control. She distinguishes between self-control and mental control, using the ping pong metaphor to illustrate their differences. The discussion highlights the dynamics of attention, from voluntary focus to the complexities of ADHD. Jennings also explores the benefits of hyperfocus, the role of dopamine in memory, and how meditation and mind wandering can coexist as forms of cognitive regulation. Her insights weave together philosophy, psychology, and neuroscience, making for a captivating conversation.