In this engaging conversation, Jo Saxton, a Type 8 leader known for her emotional depth, explores authenticity and vulnerability in leadership. Carlos Whitaker, a Type 9 storyteller, shares his childhood experiences and the drive for harmony. They reflect on how their Enneagram types shape their core motivations and influence their lives today. Both guests highlight how their understanding of themselves through the Enneagram and faith enriches their connections with others, emphasizing the importance of embracing identity and navigating conflict.