Carl Packman, a researcher and author of 'Loan Sharks', dives deep into the troubling rise of payday lending in the UK, revealing its impact on vulnerable communities and the cycle of debt it creates. John van Reenen, Director of LSE's Centre for Economic Performance, reflects on the influential books that shaped his economic perspective, showcasing how narratives and trust play crucial roles in decision-making. Together, they explore the blend of economic theory and real-world implications, making complex ideas relatable.