Dylan Wiliam, an expert in mathematics education, and cognitive load theory, joins Oliver Caviglioli, a visual learning advocate, along with educators Carl Hendrick and Christian Bokhove. They dive deep into the intricacies of cognitive load theory and its application in teaching. The conversation highlights the balance between structured learning and fostering curiosity. They discuss the complexities of effective communication in education and share strategies for blending research with practical classroom applications to enhance student engagement and retention.