Dr. Andrew Gallimore is a DMT researcher focused on extended state studies, while Carl Hayden Smith is a seasoned psychonaut exploring consciousness. They dive into the reality of entities encountered in DMT experiences, pondering whether these beings are external or part of ourselves. The conversation touches on DMT's potential for cognitive recovery, the importance of context for optimal experiences, and personal narratives featuring surreal encounters with alien intelligence. Their exploration raises questions about the nature of consciousness and the implications for human evolution.