Bruce Van Dieten, a retired activist advocating for public spaces, and Ann-Elizabeth Samson, a futures thinking expert and open water swimmer, delve into the complexities surrounding Ontario Place. They discuss the privatization of cherished public spaces by the Therme Spa company, raising concerns about accessibility, environmental impact, and the commercialization of wellness. The conversation highlights the historical evolution of Ontario Place, critiques the government’s handling of public welfare, and emphasizes the need for community engagement in urban planning.