Giorgos Kallis, a political ecologist known for his work in degrowth, joins Joshua Farley, an ecological economist focused on sustainability, and Brototi Roy, a postdoctoral researcher critiquing development discourse. They dive into how degrowth, ecological economics, and post-development interrelate. Kallis advocates for a shift towards frugal abundance, while Farley emphasizes the need for ecological economics to adapt and transform. Roy critiques Western development narratives, highlighting transdisciplinary connections that enrich these important debates.