In this discussion, Brian Tucker, a Banjima man, shares insights on the mining industry's impact on his ancestral lands, emphasizing the cultural significance of these territories. Debbie Marshall, an investigative journalist and author, provides a deep dive into Gina Rinehart's upbringing, revealing how her father Lang Hancock shaped her powerful persona. The conversation touches on Gina's tangled relationship with politics and business, exploring her influence in Australia while highlighting the historical importance of the Pilbara region.