Brian Talbot, an Assistant Professor of Philosophy at the University of Colorado, Boulder, dives deep into the future of epistemology. He discusses the importance of epistemic norms and their conflicts with moral norms. The conversation shifts to the stark differences between knowledge and true beliefs, as well as the intriguing concept of 'pointless beliefs.' Talbot also introduces epistemic consequentialism, exploring how beliefs shape outcomes and challenging traditional perspectives. This enlightening dialogue uncovers the complexities of how we form beliefs in an uncertain world.