
Bret Kinsella
GM of Fuel iX™ at TELUS Digital, focusing on AI safety testing research and its implications for enterprise and industry.
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Sep 18, 2025 • 36min
Human in the Loop for AI Security
Bret Kinsella, the General Manager of Fuel iX at TELUS Digital and founder of Voicebot.ai, shares his deep expertise in enterprise AI and synthetic media. He discusses the risks of shadow AI, emphasizing the dangers of employees using consumer tools with sensitive data. Bret highlights the issues of data leakage and hallucinations in AI, calling for a human-in-the-loop approach for monitoring AI systems. He argues for comprehensive testing beyond just models and advocates for robust governance to navigate the evolving cybersecurity landscape.

Aug 25, 2025 • 37min
🛡️The Future of AI Safety Testing with Bret Kinsella, GM of Fuel iX™ at TELUS Digital
Bret Kinsella, GM of Fuel iX™ at TELUS Digital, dives into the crucial realm of AI safety testing. He discusses his journey from Voicebot.ai to leading innovative AI safety research. Key topics include a new method for red teaming called Optimization by PROmpting (OPRO) that allows AI to assess its own vulnerabilities. Kinsella highlights the implications for industries like finance and healthcare, emphasizing accountability and compliance. He also addresses the evolving landscape of AI regulations and the necessity for proactive risk management to safeguard future advancements.


