In this episode, Brent Sutton, safety author, consultant and podcaster, shares insights on learning from normal safety work. He emphasizes the importance of variability and complexity in safety systems, highlighting weak and strong signals. Brent discusses the 4 Ds technique for meaningful conversations and the benefits of post-work reflection. He challenges traditional safety practices and encourages workers to lead safety initiatives with organizational support.

Brent Sutton, an expert in Human and Organizational Performance, and Jeff Lyth, a strategist in organizational safety, join the discussion on whether a sixth principle, 'Control Saves Lives,' should be adopted. They explore the differences between principles and practices and their role in shaping safety. The conversation touches on the historical context of organizational safety and emphasizes adapting these concepts for modern challenges. Personal stories enrich the dialogue, highlighting the importance of engaging communication and community in enhancing safety strategies.