Bradley Hillier-Smith, an advocate for refugees, discusses the ethical obligations of wealthier nations to support those in need. He shares a harrowing personal account from the Calais camp clearance, illustrating state responsibilities. The conversation delves into the moral complexities of refugee policies, defining various refugee types, and counterarguments regarding state interests. Hillier-Smith uses analogies like the 'drowning child' to highlight our duties and stresses the need for humane resettlement solutions while balancing local citizens' rights.