In this discussion, Jamelle Bouie, a New York Times columnist, and Kate Shaw, a constitutional law professor, argue that the Electoral College subverts the will of the majority. They highlight historical failures, including presidents who won without the popular vote. Countering this, Tara Ross and Bradley A. Smith stress the necessity of the system for minority representation and political balance. The debate examines whether the original intentions of the founders align with modern democratic ideals, leaving listeners to weigh the pros and cons of reform versus retention.