In a compelling discussion, Boris Spajic, a former Croatian freediver and national team coach, reveals insights into the culture of freediving and the role of money and professionalism in ethical choices. Travis Tygart, CEO of the US Anti-Doping Agency, offers a deep dive into doping enforcement and the complexities of defining what constitutes doping. Together, they explore the systemic issues of corruption, the moral dilemmas faced by athletes, and the challenges of policing small sports, highlighting the urgent need for cultural change to protect athletes.