Bob Safian, former editor-in-chief of Fast Company, joins Frances for a deep dive into the contentious return-to-office debate. They unravel the emotional and strategic motivations behind in-office mandates and emphasize the importance of balancing leadership decisions with employee needs. The conversation reveals surprising insights on how AI is reshaping work dynamics, and discusses the merits of hybrid models over rigid policies. Plus, they explore how incorporating movement in meetings can boost information retention and overall productivity.