Bob Kirshner, a renowned expert in dark energy and cosmology, dives into the future of telescope technology, specifically the Giant Magellan Telescope and Thirty Meter Telescope's roles in unraveling dark energy mysteries. He discusses the recent controversies in cosmology, particularly the measurement of neutrino mass. With insights into Bayesian reasoning and the historical evolution of dark matter research, Kirshner highlights the importance of interdisciplinary collaboration in expanding our understanding of the universe's fundamental forces.