Bob Hockett, a finance law professor at Cornell, and Harold Meyerson, an Editor at The American Prospect, dive into the complexities of government ownership in big corporations. They discuss the U.S. government’s recent investment in Intel, raising questions about the balance between state involvement and capitalism. The conversation explores historical precedents, the implications of corporate subsidies, and the potential impacts on democracy—examining how personalism in governance under Trump shapes public policy and accountability.