In this enlightening discussion, Bill Reel, a podcaster renowned for delving into the deconstruction of Mormonism, joins Gabe to unravel the nature of reality. They explore modern scientific concepts like quantum physics and its impact on perception. The dialogue also touches on mystical influences within the church, personal experiences with altered states, and the complexities of consciousness. Their reflections challenge listeners to reconsider their beliefs, emphasizing the interconnectedness of existence and the fluidity of truth.