In this insightful conversation, Bianca Wylie, a writer and digital governance expert, shares her journey resisting Google's plans for a smart city in Toronto. She emphasizes the importance of public consultation in digital governance and explores the complexities of tech procurement. Bianca discusses the role of local journalism in community engagement and critiques the issues of privacy in urban planning. She advocates for specificity in tech discussions, highlighting the need for transparency and genuine public dialogue when integrating technology into governance.